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Thank you for all your help. I took my mom to a neurologist who told her she could only drive 5 miles with someone in the car during the day. My mom, who last week wandered to another state, laughed in her face. So I took all the keys. I have 2 memory care places coming for evals (God help them). Here's the new wrinkle - my sister is the financial POA. We'd need a bridge loan. My mom's credit score is too low on her own. Mine isn't great. I'd need my sister to co-sign on the loan with me and I have a feeling she won't. There's simply not enough $ in moms bank account to get her moved in without a bridge loan. If my sister doesn't cosign, what do I do? My mom is so mean - it's not like I can sell the house with her in it and she's not moving in with me. She was very emotionally abusive to me...and still loves to get her digs in. Like today, after spending 4 hours taking her to the doctor, she said "well I loved my parents not like you." She could afford assisted living but can she leave there or is it locked up?

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I was in this spot two years ago. We got mom two psych evals, a doctor to declare her incompetent and finally got her into MC. We sold her house and car to fund it. You might want to see if you can find a cheaper MC even if it is farther away. Mom needed locked down MC because she was not able to see her limitations and refused to give up driving. She is also NPD. She has about a year and 1/2 to 2 years left of funds to cover her MC, then we will have to start over with a search for placement. Meds have certainly helped to keep her calmer.

Do not take out a loan.
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Lots of good advice here I hope you’ll heed. I wanted to add, *never cosign any loan*, neither you nor your sister. Not for this, and not for any other purpose. Cosigning does not mean ‘taking over payments.’ It means, if in default, the entire loan balance is now due to the cosigner all at once.

Memory cares and assisted livings are used to dealing with financial issues. Talk to them frankly, but do not sign or promise any money for yourself, nor your sister as POA. It’s all on your mom and her assets. Sister is just managing mom’s assets, not providing them from her own money or yours. And be sure to ask the memory care, “What happens when the money runs out?”
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The neurologist is a moron! Like an accident can’t happen within 5 miles. Hope you’re having your never bother with him again
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Geaton777 4 hours ago
I read a statistic once that said most car accidents happen within 1 mile of the person's home.
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Whatever you do, DO NOT sign any kind of paperwork for any type of care facility that will put you on the hook financially. Believe me when I tell you legally no one has to 'co-sign' a loan to get someone else into a care facility. All LTC operations be it assisted living, memory care, nursing home, will LIE to family members and make all kinds of threats because they want everything a person has up front. This does not mean that it is legal to make such demands. SIGN NOTHING.

You do know that memory care is different than assisted living. In AL the residents come and go as they please. In memory care they are in a locked facility.

Make sure your sister (the POA) is present for these memory care evaluations as she is the one who will legally be making the decisions for your mother if it is determined that she is no longer competent to decide things for herself.

Please, try not to let your mother's behavior and the guilt-tripping you will probably get from your sister, convince you into agreeing to move your mother into your home to become her caregiver or to convince you to move to her place to do it. Don't get talked into that. If your mother loves to "get her digs in" with you and is emotionally abusive, you are not the person who should be taking care of her.

No one, not your sister or you should sign any paperwork from any care facility until it's been thoroughly read through by both of you and if there's any part that you don't understand, have it looked over by a lawyer. Nursing homes, memory care, assisted living facilities are well known for lying about what some document is to get it signed. A popular care facility lie is to tell a family member or POA that something is a standard admitting form. Once your family member's Social Security number gets on it, the facility will clean out a bank account. I know someone this happened to. They got the money back, but the facility was able to do it.

If your mother has to go to the hospital for some reason, they can get her admitted to a memory care or nursing home. If there is no one to care for her at home and she had dementia. That would be an unsafe discharge. So, there's no need or you or your sister to 'co-sign' financially or her to get placed. You're not buying a car.

Good luck to you and please don't sign anything or get talked into becoming a caregiver.
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Residents of Assisted Living can come and go. The staff is assisting them, not supervising/restricting them. Memory care is locked. That is the crucial difference for those who are defiant and capable of getting out.

And that neurologist -- I am shaking my head in disbelief! Especially since mistakes in driving are one of the first signs that families notice, because the consequences can be so extreme.
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Your sister should not co-sign, because that financial choice is very risky. If you default on the payments, your sister will responsible for the payments. Therefore, you cannot afford a loan.
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BurntCaregiver 19 hours ago
NEVER 'co-sign' for a care facility. No one has to do that.
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FIrst, if your Mom laughed in the face of a driving restriction *suggestion* (because there's no legal teeth to this) please know she may do an end-run around you by ordering another set of keys, or some other strategy. Make sure the car disappears completely so that she has no access to it at all.

Next... if you have to take out a bridge loan to pay for her care then the care is not affordable. Period. There needs to be another solution which is most likely stepping away, resigning as PoA and allowing the county to deal with her and pay for her care.

Why are you involved with your abuser? You have been groomed. Your Mom is not mean, she is sick, dysfunctional, unstable, demented, etc. "Mean" is what a 3rd grader calls a parent. You're a fully formed adult now. Open your eyes and see that your Mom has been sick and continues to be sick and no amount of your involvement is going to change her. She will never be happy or grateful or at peace with whatever you sacrifice doing for her.

There is a solution for her care and you should step away and allow it to fall into place. Don't go into debt for this woman. Stop entering her orbit for any reason. If you do, you'll have volunteered for all the ensuing pain you will (not might) experience.
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peanuttyxx Jul 8, 2026
Thank you...it's so true about grooming. I'm in deep therapy.
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Thank you. For some reason all the memory cares here start at 9500 and the AL starts at 5000. She gets about $4k a month between SS and a pension. She will raise the biggest ruckus any facility has ever seen.
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Slartibartfast 23 hours ago
Oh jeez that's a big price difference! In my mom's place once I added a la carte services to the AL base price, like over $800 per month for medication management, the AL and MC prices got closer and closer.

I lucked out with the timing of my mom's placement. Her ruckus raising ability was on the downward but her ability to somewhat adapt to the new place was still intact enough.
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Discuss the money situation right away - like immediately - with the two care facilities. Find out if they have a financial help plan that they use for situations like yours. Also, you could sell her car and use that money to get her into these places. Sell her jewelry, if any, especially any that she won't miss, such as pieces kept in a safe deposit box.

Also, fire the neurologist. What kind of doctor would approve a person as cognitively declined as your mom to drive 5 miles a day with someone in the car? That someone might be able to read maps to get mom home but wouldn't be able to save mom from an accident if she suddenly forgets that red means stop. This neuro must be a moron with little understanding of the problem of dementia patients driving! Dementia means no driving! Ever! Again!

Good luck, I'm sorry for your situation, but it will get better (for you) once mom gets into a facility.
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The neurologist still thinks mom is safe to DRIVE YOU for short trips. It does it sound like this doctor would deem mom incompetent enough so that financial sister can assert the poa, place mom and sell the home to pay for memory care.
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I'm glad you posted an update! I'm confused about the loan. Mom has enough money for AL but not MC, and AL won't work because she will be able to leave. In my experience MC isn't significantly more expensive than AL, but that's just at my mom's place.

I think you need to work on getting her assessed and approved for MC by the places you have contacted before you take out any loans. Depending on how far along she is in her dementia they may not be willing to put her into locked MC if it means she's going to be causing an unholy ruckus to leave every minute.

You're doing great to get the keys, and with working your way through the rest of this mess! On a side note who the heck authorized a demented person to drive five miles. If they could follow a rule they wouldn't have dementia. And most accidents in healthy drivers happen close to home. Geesh.
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Fawnby 23 hours ago
Slart, I have deemed the neurologist a moron. Neurologist should stop driving immediately and surrender her medical license, then enter a care facility for M.D. Morons. Part of her therapy would be to ride shotgun 24/7 with dementia patients that she allowed to keep driving. Soon there would be no more problem dealing with either of them because they would be - um, gone for good..
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